Q: Some identified individuals never entertain this process. They go about their lives being born, growing up, dying, without ever thinking about enlightenment?
RAMESH BALSEKAR: Yes, because those organisms are still part of the process of IDENTIFICATION. And in that evolutionary process of identification still going on, the question of seeking doesn’t arise. So it’s only after the mind has turned inward that the process of DIS-IDENTIFICATION, of seeking, has started.
Q: So all that you are telling about now seems to be of the perspective of the individual going through this process?
RB: No, on the contrary. As I’ve told you, the whole process is an impersonal process. And the individual organism is merely an object through which this process is happening. So the basis is nothing to do with an individual.
The individual comes into trouble, thinks he is an unhappy seeker because he thinks in terms of an individual, wanting enlightenment as an object. So part of this understanding, part of growing up spiritually, is to realize that the individual is only an object. And no object can become enlightened.The sentient human being is still an object. His true nature is only Consciousness.
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Murali: Somehow, this seems to create a judgment that those who seek enlightenment are further along in life process..
Nikolaus: The problem is that the identified mind sees judgement everywhere… that’s part of its process 😆
If you deeply contemplate what was said then you see that both the object that is identified and the object that wants do disidentify are unreal.
Then who’s there to judge what.
You have to take that information one thousand percent literally.
Michael: Murali… is an oak tree “further along in life process” than the oak seed? Or are both intrinsically whole exactly as they’re being?
Notice that judgment comes from mind which ALWAYS compares one thing against an other. What Ramesh is pointing to in this post is that YOU are not an object, so the mind has nothing to say about you UNLESS you take yourself to be a body/mind, i.e., an object. And that’s called suffering, because you’re not an object. ❤
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